Thursday 4 July 2019

Koran only Islam

One of FFI editors had the following email exchange with a reader. We received the email from her as a response to our FFI newsletter #29. Here is her first email:

The reason Satan was damned is because he thought he was better than Adam because he was created of fire and Adam was created from clay. Obviously you think you are better than Muslims because — why? Hitler was a devote Christian.  Timothy Mc.. was a devoted American yet he killed Americans in Oklahoma.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the WORLD especially in the United States. Slander is a sin punishable in hell by the eating of dead flesh as nourishment.

You obviously are striving for the benefits of this world and are eglected your immortal soul.  Do you really think God is not taking into account the sins of Muslims and Christians? Are you one of those who think heaven is on earth?  There will be more people in hell than in heaven.  Your deeds on this earth dete rmine your state on judgment day. If you do horrific things, well the handwriting is on the wall in regards to your fate.

I am an American Christian convert to Islam.  Islam guides you to truth. ight now 3 billion people are fasting for the pleas ure of God.  When is the last time you fasted for the pleasure of God?

Muslims pray EVERYDAY for the pleasure of =2 0God.  What day was it you said a prayer for the pleasure of God?  I don’t mean begging for something for yourself, I mean at the very least saying the Lord’s Prayer, for the pleasure of God.

Before you condemn all Mu slims you need to take a look at the man in the mirror. The ONLY thing that matters is judgment day.  You will NOT be asked of the sins of others.

Do you really want to go to hell for bearing false witness against thy neighbor. I do not consider myself a terrorist, though I am Muslim, and native American.  I am not changing my religion because you spread words of hatred rather than love.

I leave you with my favorite chapter from Quran:

84: The Sundering

84:1 When the heaven is split asunder
84:2 And attentive to her Lord in fear,
84:3 And when the earth is spread out
84:4 And hath cast out all that was in her, and is empty
84:5 And attentive to her Lord in fear!
84:6 Thou, verily, O man, art working toward thy Lord a work which hou w ilt meet (in His presence).
84:7 Then whoso is given his account in his right hand
84:8 He truly will receive an easy reckoning
84:9 And will return unto his folk in joy.
84:10 But whoso is given his account behind his back,
84:11 He surely will invoke destruction< br> 84:12 And be thrown to scorching fire.
84:13 He verily lived joyous with his folk,
84:14 He verily deemed that he would never return (unto Allah).
84:15 Nay, but lo! his Lord is ever looking on him!
84:16 Oh, I swear by the afterglow of sunset,
84:17 And by the night and all that it enshroudeth,
84:18 And by the moon when she is at the f ull,
84:19 That ye shall journey on from plane to plane.
84:20 What aileth them, then, that they believe not
84:21 And, when the Qur’an is recited unto them, worship not (Allah)?
84:22 Nay, but those who disbelieve will deny;
84:23 And Allah knoweth best what they are hiding.
84:24 So give them tidings of a painful doom,
84:25 Save those who believe and do good works, for theirs is a reward nfailing.

Are these articles of works of yours good? We will all find out on judgment day.

Salaam

Here is the response email from our FFI editor:
Dear brother/sister , thank you for contacting us. Your email to us gives us some feedback about how our FFI newsletter is doing. From your email, I gather its doling great. I do, however, want to discuss with you, if you are up to it, some misinformation that came to my mind while reading your email:

1. FFI is a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. We do not think that we are any better than anyone. We believe in humanity. We believe all humans are equal under the law. You think we believe we are better than Muslims. This is a twisted logic. The fact of the matter is Muslims believe they are better than anyone else; true Muslims that is. Can you please tell me if Islam treats people equally under the law? If you say yes, please do explain to me how the Jizya, and infidel-only tax (just because they don’t believe in Islam), is fair and treats everyone equally under the law? I await you answer on this one.

2. Please note that Hitler was not a devout Christian as you claim. Christ was a pacifist to the core. Hitler was an extreme opposite of that. The same applies to Timothy Mcveigh. he was not a good American as you claim. he was just another criminal. Please check your facts before making grand claims.

3. The number of people following a certain belief system does not render truth to that belief system. There was a time where almost all humans on earth believed the earth was flat. But the earth is not flat. Is it? The same applies to religion. In=2 0fact, I can tell you with great assurance, that if a religion holds the truth, it will definitely NOT be Islam. Bertrand Russell had an insight into how humans have strange beliefs that amount to no more than lies. He said something like “the greater the lie, the more people will believe it”. I am not quoting verbatim here.

4. You say “Islam guides you to truth.” Can you please tell me how this great discovery of yours has any supportive evidence?

Let me reword this question in a different way: we know many great stories about Muhammad and his bandits. Let me quote some stories, all supported from authentic Islamic sources. I would like you, if you don’t mind, to read them, and explain to me, and believe me I=2 0am a simple man, how such stories show that “Islam guides to truth”:

Quote 1 about Muhammad sending an assassin to kill a man. I wonder if your moral compas believes that assassinating people who have different views than you is okay

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 45, Number 687:  Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: Allah’s Apostle said, “Who would kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf as he has harmed Allah and His Apostle ?” Muhammad bin Maslama (got up and) said, “I will kill him.” So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to Ka’b and said, “I want a loan of one or two Wasqs of food grains.” Ka’b said, “Mortgage your20women to me.” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “How can we mortgage our women, and you are the most handsome among the Arabs?” He said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” Muhammad said, “How can we mortgage our sons, as the people will abuse them for being mortgaged for one or two Wasqs of food grains? It is shameful for us. But we will mortgage our arms to you.” So, Muhammad bin Maslama promised him that he would come to him next time. They (Muhammad bin Maslama and his companions came to him as promised and murdered him. Then they went to the Prophet and told him about it.

Quote 2: Muhammad’s genocide of Bani Qurayza. This is a juicy story that should make Muslims like you really proud of Muhammad and what he did in one day

During the night, trenches sufficient to contain the dead bodies of the men were dug across the market place of the city. In the morning, Mahomet, himself a spectator of the tragedy, commanded that male captives to be brought20forth in companies of five or six at a time. Each company as it came up was made to sit down in a row on the brink of the trench destined for its grave, there beheaded, and the bodies cast therein. … The butchery, begun in the morning, lasted all day, and continued by torchlight till the evening. Having thus drenched the market place with the blood of seven or eight hundred victims, and having given command for the earth to be smoothed over their remains, Mahomet re turned from the horrid spectacle to solace himself with the charms of Rihana, whose husband and all her male relatives had just perished in the massacre. [Source: W. Muir, The Life of Muhammad, (Edinburg 1923, Pages 307-8)].

Aren’t you proud of what Muhammad did?

Quote 3: Muhammad attacks people for no reason at all (except his own greed)

Bukhari – Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: Narrated Ibn Aun: I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn ‘Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn ‘Umar was in that army.

Quote 4: this quote tops them all – Muhammad streamlines Pedophilia

This one is from the mouth of Ayesha herself

Narrated ‘Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’ Bukhari 7. 62. 65

Narrated ‘Ursa:The Prophet wro te the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 88

Please do let us know how the above quotes, all from reliable Islamic sources, show that Islam is true and that Islam guides one to truth.

Thanks again for contacting us.

Here is the response email we received from her:

(1). I live in the USA any other tax bill other than the IRS is of no interest to me.
 (2).  Again you are wrong Hitler claimed to be a Gentile, which is a non Jew.  Timothy McVeigh  thought he was purifying America
(3). The beauty of being an American is that I have a constitutional right to practice my religion of choice.  You also have the right to be an atheist.  I do not condemn Jews, Christian, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.  You have taken upon yourself to criticize one religion.  There are so many why Islam?  Perhaps the truth hurts.
 (4)  Unlike many other Muslims who follow hadiths, I do NOT.  Allah says the only form of guidance is=2 0Quran.  Having been raised a Christian and  studying the Bible in the Christian schools I attended, like it says in Quran, I recognize the truth when I read it.

There is a web site called www.submission.org that discussed the misuse of hadiths by Muslims.  Further I do not worship Muhammad.  Muhammad came ONLY to convey a message the Quran.  You can keep your stories, they are of no significance to me.

By the=2 0way Moses killed a man. Do you think the Jewish people are going to abandon their religion because of that or are they going to accept his message the Torah.

Brother you need guidance, find a religion someone’s religion, please.

Here is the respose email from our editor:Brother/SisterYou say truth hurts. Wow..Is this why you reject hadith and just believe in the Qur’an? For you information, there are tons of verses in the Qur’an that you won’t understand without hadiths. I think what it is is that Hadith is so damaging to that thug of arabia and his bandits that people like pou put their head in the sand and hang onto the Qur’an. All that thugery that Muhammad and his thugs did, and you just want to ignore it and stick to Qur’an. Good luck

Don’t worry about Moses and what he did. That does not give a clean slate to Muhammad and his band of thieves and criminals.

FFI does not worry about=2 0other religions because we have a holy cause: showing Islam naked to the world. It is an ugly mummy that is waiting to be cremated for good. There is none more dangerous to humanity than this evil religion called Islam. It is w orse than Nazism. Muhammad needs to be discredited. He was an evil man, worse than hitler many times over. He needs to be shown for waht he is: a narcissistic sick pedophile who thrived on blood. And all you are worried about is to reject hadith and just accept the Qur’an.Now, Qur’an 4:34 says that a man can beat his wife. Other verses clearly indicate that a man is higher and have more authority than a woman. Is this good? Would the great creator of the universe instruct a man to beat his wife? Is God such a sick deity to give such instruction?For your information, FFI staff belong to many religions. Some also are agnostice or atheists. That does not matter. What matters is that we all found out how evil Islam is, how evil Muhammad is, and our humble job is to lay such information bare to the world to see. Keep putting your head in the sand. Feeling blessed. Good. That is how cult memebers feel when their leader is shown for what he is.

Have a good day

Here is her response email:

Obviously my rejction of hadiths does not support your claims.  It is clear you did not visit submission.org which would help you understand why I reject hadiths.

Muhammad is a man.  He will account fior what he did on judgment day.  You will account for what you do on judgment day.

I will not be asked about anyones sins other than my own.  Neither will you.

Islam is the religon of Abraham.  Allah promised Abraham that through his seed a message would come to teach them their ways of worship.

Historical fact, Muhammad is a direct descendant of Abraham through his eldest son Ishmael.  The Jews and the Muslims are first cousins.  We pray alike, the men wear the same hat on their heads, we both shun pork, and we believe in the ‘oneness of God”  According to the Bible Ishmael and Isaac buried their father,

Genesis 25:9 (King James Version)

 9And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

I can fell the hatred in your writings.  Being Ramadan it does not effect me.  I feel compelled to help y ou understand but it appears all you want to do is ARGUE.

As Allah says in Quran “there are those who refuse to know the truth”

Sometimes we have to look at what’s being said instead of who’s saying it.  Ever heard the phras’ from out of the mouth of babes”

I am a Muslim woman I have NOT been beaten.  Yet every 14 seconds in this country a woman is abused.  I guess you blame Islam  for that as well

Thieves, well lets not even begin there.  Greed has been made manifest in man (Quran)

You hate someone youn never met, Muhammad.

Allah says when dealing with people like you to refer to the Quran.  So all this negativity that you spread here are my answers to you.

2.6] Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
 [2.7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

The Disbelievers

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

 [109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
 [109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
 [109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
 [109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
 [109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
 [109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion

AMEN.

And here is our editor’s response:

Sure I hate Muhammad. He was an evil man. I am not going to kill evil people. But, I’ll tell about them. If they are alive, you can bit I’ll have the law after them.

Now, tell me How do you know that Muhammad is a prophet? and that the Qur’an is Allah’s words? I want to have a rational discussion with you if you are up to it. You have 2 questions here. Can you please answer them. Thanks

And her email response:
In the name of Allah the Beneficient the Merciful

1.  Their reckoning draweth nigh for mankind, while they turn away in heedlessnss.
2.  Never cometh there unto them a new reminder from their Lord but they listen to it while they play.
3.  With hearts preoccupied.  And they confer in secret.  The wrongdoers say: is this other than a mortal like you?  Will ye then succumb to magic while ye see it.
4.  He Saith My Lord knoweth what is spoken in the heaven and the earth. He is the Hearer the Knower.
5.  Nay, say they muddled dreams, nay, he hath but invented it, nay he is but a poet.  Let him bring us a portent even as those of old were sent.
6.  Not a township believed of those whifch We destroyed before them, wiould they then believe?
7.  And we sent not before thee other than men whom we inspired.  Ask the followers of the Reminder if ye know not.
8.  We gave them not bodies that would not eat food, nor were they immortals.
9. Then we fulfilled the promise unto them. So we delivered them  and whom  we would, and we desytroyed the prodigals
10. Now we have revealed unto you a Scripture wherein is your Reminder Have ye then no sense?

Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel with them  He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong.  He will make lawful for them all good things, and prohibit for them only the foul, and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear.  Then those who believe in him and honour him and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him they are the successful.

O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His mesenger and the Scripture which he hath revealed unto his messenger, and the Scripture which he revealed aforetime.  Whoso disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His Scriptures and His messengers and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.

Lo! Those who believe, then disbelieve, and then believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them, nor will He guide them unto a way.

Bear unto the hypocrites the tidings that for them there is a painful doom.

Again www.submission.org the brother found a mathematical code imbedded in the Quran based on the number 19 and the very first phrase you read when you open the Quran: In the name of Allah the Beneficient the Merciful.

No uneducated man could have possibly composed this book.

This and all future answers will be answered via Quran not Hadith.  You say you are former Muslims, it is clear you need to be reminded.

And here is the editor’s response:

Dear lady, Greeting.

I have no doubt you are a nice lady. Thank you for using nice language always.

I asked you two questions:

1. How do you know that Muhammad was a true prophet?
2. How do you know the the Qur’an is Allah’s words?

Your answer pretty much says: “Because the Qur’an says so”. First, I do need to tell you your submission site is boring. I knew about it a year ago. I even know how your late Egyptian leader/scientist got assasinated by real good Muslims in a Mosque in the US. All those claimed miracles are hogwash. He was nuts about the number 19 and worked out all that to fit. Please do read the articles by Mumin Salih on FFI to see how ridiculous Qur’anic miracles are. Also read Ibn Kammuna’s work on statistical miracles. But all of this is side-tracking. Your main argument is “I know that Muhammad is a prophret because the Qur’an says so”. and how do you know that the Qur’an is true? because Muhammad says so. This is circular nonsense. Because the Qur’an is Miraculous,  is also a ridicuolus answer. The Qur’an is full of contradictions, scientific errors, linguistic errors (my native tongue is arabic). Please do read the work of Mumin Salih on the subject. Mumin’s work is priceless as he is a native arab too. Here are some worthy links for you:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/09/02/the-myth-of-sientific-miracles-in-the-quran/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/02/some-myths-about-the-quranic-science/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/02/22/about-the-quranic-contradictions/

There is a whole series of articles by none but the great Abul Kasem about the contradictions of the Qur’an. Check him out too.

I also would like to give you one more link. You claimed rejection of Hadith. Hadith, believe it or not, is more authentic than Qur’an. You are probably surprised to see me say this. Here is the proof:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/30/the-quran-and-hadith-which-is-more-authentic/

One more claim of yours is that previous holy books (Bible) spoke about the coming of Muhammad. This is an ourageous lie. No one with common sense believes it. Check out this article:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/04/16/muhammads-migration-from-mecca-to-medinaprophecied-in-the-bible/

and this:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/04/14/muhammad-the-paraclete/

This is nothing. If you go to the Aswering Islam site, their researchers just dismantled any claim to Muhammad being prophecised in the Bible.

In short dear lady, I am sorry to say that your claims about Islam being divine, and that Muhammad being a prophet have no rational basis whatsoever.

Finally I invite you, as I do other readers, to visit Ali Sina’s challenge: here is the link:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/

What have you got to lose? Prove us wrong. Sina is offering $ 50,000 to anyone proving him wrong. I am not as generous, but I’ll throw in another $20,000 from my own money if someone proves him wrong.

So, my questions remain unanswered. Can you please answer them. Thank you

We hope the email exchanges continue. We will provide our readers with updates if any.

Editor’s addendum


We invite FFI readers to read Mumin Salih’s article: The Quran and Hadith, which is more authentic?. This article shows that indeed hadith is more credible than Koran. Comments and feedback from readers regarding this matter are welcomed. Only through critical analysis and through subjecting the basic tenets of Islam to rigourous scrutiny does our knowledge advance on this front. 

Source: htp://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/09/09/koran-only-islam/

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